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Orange Jellybaby (Clavaria-like) fungus, on moss - exciting!
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Thanks for suggestion Spathularia Grüni /Kagi ... hmmmm, could be but they are mostly yellow. I have another suggestion - what do you think about Dacryopanix???
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OK I have a small update. I re-examined the material which was in fridge for 3 days. They have not changed much physically, but the outer layer became slightly more developed and we can be sure that this is a Basidiomycete since I saw basidioles. None of them was mature. The medull became completely whitish-yellow now (central orange zone faded away) and there were some invaginations inside (like it is still shaping up). The medullary tissue remains undifferentiated, in parallel bundles, but they are elongated, more straight and still with perpendicular septae (- rectangular hyphae)
I attach the images.
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Thanks for suggestion Spathularia Grüni /Kagi ... hmmmm, could be but they are mostly yellow. I have another suggestion - what do you think about Dacryopanix???
Hi Steve, I didn't know Dacryopanix and had to look it up. Well, could be...but they are supposed to be gelatinous, and you told us that your find isn't. And their stems are mostly darker. Concerning Spathularia, you're right: Their colour is too yellow. (I think I just wanted to see the orange...
) And they are not Basidiomycetes.
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Hello,
Dacryopinax are truly lignicolous, and they are gelatinous. So this is surely not Dacryopinax.
Another suggestion could be a very young Clavariadelphus species, but I can't think of a suitable species. Also the genus should have clamped swollen hyphae. Nevertheless it would may be good to test the KOH reaction on the surface of one of the fruitbodies.
all the best,
Andreas
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The specimens started to mold slightly :-(. Yesterday I did not put them in the fridge, so as to accelerate the development process. The best specimen has been dried yesterday so safe from contaminants. Today, I thought, dass die surface was more pruinose ... maybe they make it to sporulate before parasite takes them out.
Andreas, KOH on surface - no color change. It wasn't gelatinous (mucoid or watery) just soft tissue
Yet I found some other strange finger-like organism growing close to them from the soil. Maybe Ceratiomyxa ?!. I may find time to examine under the microscope!
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Hello,
could be a Ceratellopsis species.
best,
Andreas
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You hit the nail on its head re last fungus. I see if I can do more re species level! Interesting!
Thanks!
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We are going for it. Hope we find it in goid shape 🙏😊
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Found them. 3 populations. Here are quick mobile photos 😍
I take some pics with slr. They did not change that much. Cu
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Hello... Sorry for letting you wait.
Here are some close-up images of the fruiting bodies, 6 days after the first encounter. The have not changed much. They seem to have more a coral-fungus approach then that of a jelly baby fungus. The flesh is soft and breaks away easily, but decivesly not gelatinous. I have dried some more specimens and placed few in the fridge. Not the heavy pruinosity near the stipe.
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Under the microscope, there is more or less the same picture of before, but what we assume that are basidioles are more wriggly (curved/flexuose).
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Hello Steve!
I am so curious, as what kind of mushroom this will turn out… There is a group for mediterranean mushrooms at Facebook. Perhaps you should try it there too?
LG,
Tuppie
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Thanks, I try to stay away from FB coz I waste a lot of time, but I think everyone is running out of ideas, and maybe I should post there. However, while the fungus remains in a sterile condition, we can't expect miracles. And I don't feel like going again to the island of Comino for the third time !!
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Hello Steve,
if you like to send me one of the fruitbodies, I can let it sequence next time I send something to Alvarado.
all the best,
Andreas
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Hi Andreas, thanks for yr help. I have sent material to Alvarado and I can send this to him too. However if u wish to have a sample to examine under yr lens, I can send you one fruiting body. When they dry they are quite small and shrivelled so hope they rehydrate well. Let me know (send address). The samples in the fridge are also healthy and will check their maturity tmrw
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Hello,
I'm going to revise my thought that it can not be an ascomycete.
In forum mycologia-europaei Régis Cuurtecuisse suggested that it might be a Neolecta species. And that indeed looks quite promising, though the few known species are yellow and not orange. But at least there is also the name Neolecta aurantiaca, what would hint towards an orange species/form.
all the best, Andreas
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Hi Andreas, Thank you for keeping this in mind and I also have not forgotten this fungs on two aspects.
1. If you need to have a voucher specimen (dry) just to have a look, I can send it. I will sent to Alvarado soon. I suspect it is a new species, I posted on MEditerranean fungi FB and they could not come with good suggestions (somewhat trending on Clavaria).
2. I went to check again the micro of my specimens stored in the fridge and stubbornly no reproduction. The basidiole-like hyphae could indeed be immature asci after all.
So this fungus will go to Spain with my next batch.
Let me know if you need a specimen (Message privately yr address or on info@maltawildplats.com)
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Hello Steve,
you could do cut through the outer layer, where probably the hymenium is (isn't it?). And check if the hymenium reacts amyloid in Melzers. Neolecta would show an amyloid hymenium like many lichens of the Lecanora type.
You need not send me a specimen, I can not do really more than you have already done. I'll just wait to see what in molecular respect can be said.
all the best,
Andreas
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Yes, I expect the hymenium to be in the outer layer. I have not dried 2 specimens so I can do this test but remember that the hymenium is not developed and we might have false negative J test. To be continued .... thanks for your help - much obliged (and applies to all members who have contributed on this coral-lichen thing!)
Neolecta is the closest I could judge.
Neolecta irregularis / Mitrule irrégulière | Récolté par J. … | Flickr
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Hello Steve,
that should work with even just beginning hymenium already.
all the best,
Andreas
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Hello guys... I am really busy concluding my thesis (on macromycetes) of which deadline is in a few weeks now. I think many remember this post and its mysterious orange coral-like fungus, where I sent samples for DNA analysis. Few days ago I received the DNA ITS1 results and disappointingly Dr Alvarado told me it was noisy or contaminated and suggested to repeat. I have the fasta file (I can share with whome is interested to compare) but maybe its wise to wait the repeat. I am quite sure I did not contaminate the specimens.
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Steve_mt
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Hello again - PCR and sequencing were successful on persisting a bit more with Pablo (he is really a good guy) and I have a name for this collection. I don't know if it is actually it or a very close relative (new species) but the answer is Clavaria salentina (a recent description from Sicily). It looks alike and a bit different too.
Clavaria salentina - A.M.B. PESAROGenere Clavaria Specie salentina Agnello & Baglivo, 2010 Posizione sistematica: Ordine Agaricales, Famiglia Clavariaceae. Exsic. n. 201 Erbario Maletti.…www.ambpesaro.itQuel manto arancione presso una masseria identificata come nuova specie di fungoMESAGNE – La sua caratteristica colorazione arancione, contribuisce a fare del variopinto mondo delle biodiversità, comprese nella macchia mediterranea, un…www.brindisireport.itI look forward to contribute more to this lovely community
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Hello, Steve!
Allright, so maybe Your found some immature basidiocarps, or maybe soewhat strangely evolved ones...
But they do look similar in many aspects.
Thank Your for keeping us up to date!LG; Pablo.